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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 30, 2012 12:29pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Copyright status of 2 Mannix episodes

Two episodes of "Mannix" may be public domain, not because the copyrights expired, but because the shows lack copyright notices. (Since these shows were released after 1963, copyright renewal would have been automatic.)

1. "The Name Is Mannix"
2. "Skid Marks on a Dry Run"

These are the first two shows of the series; the copies that I examined (from a DVD titled "TV's Lost Shows: Action" from Diamond Entertainment) lacked copyright notices. The disk also has these public domain episodes:

Peter Gunn: "Let's Kill Timothy"; "The Fuse"
Wagon Train: "Alias Bill Hawks"

We don't know for sure whether these versions were altered by having their notices removed. It seems unlikely, because if someone were to do that, why would he stop after only two episodes?

Tgg Direct sells these 2 Mannix episodes on a DVD titled "TV Mystery Shows" that has these public domain episodes:

Peter Gunn: "Let's Kill Timothy" and "The Fuse"
Wagon Train: "Alias Bill Hawks"
Burke's Law: "Who Killed Jason Shaw?"


Does anyone here have the complete first season of Mannix? If you do, it would be very helpful if you would accurately answer all of these questions.

Does episode 1 of season 1 contain any sort of copyright notice in the opening or ending credits? If it does, what exactly does that notice say? (I mean exactly; don't paraphrase it. Better yet, attach a screen-shot.)

Does episode 2 of season 1 contain any sort of copyright notice in the opening or ending credits? If it does, what exactly does that notice say? (I mean exactly; don't paraphrase it.)

Does episode 3 of season 1 contain any sort of copyright notice in the opening or ending credits? If it does, what exactly does that notice say? (I mean exactly; don't paraphrase it.)


If the first two lack valid notices, but the third has a valid copyright notice, that would really tend to confirm that 1. and 2. are public domain.

Of course, it's possible that copyright notices were added to some copies of these shows after the original air-date.

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Poster: billymays55 Date: Jul 30, 2012 3:33pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Copyright status of 2 Mannix episodes

Mr. or Mrs. Moongleam (what the hell does Moongleam even mean?)

I don't know if you have internet access down at Alpha's headquaters but a simple Google search would show you Paramount already released Seasons 1 through 7 on DVD.

You really need to stop your thought process of "well so and so put out (insert name here) so it must be PD." You should learn to do your own research and not worry about what everyone else is doing.

I personally have original syndication prints of both titles you are asking about and they bear NO copyright notice (I can provide screen shots).

But here is the kicker, I also have many original syndication Star Trek prints wich also bear NO notice (I can provide screen shots) and you see how Paramount paid someone off to fix that, so I don't really see your point?

Other shows with "public domain" episodes (same studio, same problem)

Mission Impossible
Lucy Show

I also have original 16mm syndication prints of these as well which bear NO copyright notices.

Are they Public Domain? YES 100%

But does it matter? NO

Because Paramount has deep pockets and will and have sued. They will win because the person with the most money always wins especially when you pay off the judge, this is NOT hearsay, this is fact. I have personally experienced it myself and have been sued for public domain features and tv shows and lost. Another thing big studios love to do is find a little guy and just destroy him (as they did in the Star Trek case) and then that sets a precedent.

So your answer is YES they are Public Domain according to United States Copyright Law, but does that matter?? NO!

I know that Alpha was sued over a Public Domain movie they put out when they copied another Public Domain dealers DVD but what they didn't notice was that person changed the movie added "additional soundtrack material." and registered there version and it ended with an out of court settelment. (maybe this was before you worked there)

So not only do you have the major studios claiming there lost public domain movies by claiming underlying rights, music, etc etc....blah blah blah you have other public domain dealers do the same thing

The End

Mr. Billy Mays
Copyright Consultant

PS Have a nice day at the watercooler at Alpha tomorrow, this should give you something to chat about ;)

PSS These are PD as well as they were all registered but never renewed:

Peter Gunn: "Let's Kill Timothy" and "The Fuse"
Wagon Train: "Alias Bill Hawks"
Burke's Law: "Who Killed Jason Shaw?"


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Poster: Video-Cellar Date: Jul 30, 2012 4:44pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Copyright status of 2 Mannix episodes

I have the official release of the first season. All episodes contain a new 1996 copyright notice under the Desilu imprint. So that is a bit of a dead end. However, I also have 3 episodes in exact copies of original network prints. There is no notice in the credits or under the Desilu logo on any of these episodes. The episodes are "The Pilot", "Nothing Ever Works Twice" and "The Cost of a Vacation". But, with the Desilu's Star Trek situation (no notices on the prints but a court decision finding that they had not been published before they were officially released on VHS with a notice and were therefore copyright), I am not sure that means anything.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 30, 2012 6:45pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Copyright status of 2 Mannix episodes

Thanks. Based on what you said and on the fact that Alpha seems to be afraid to sell them, I'm not going to upload them.

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Poster: billymays55 Date: Aug 10, 2012 6:23pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Copyright status of 2 Mannix episodes

"Alpha is afraid to sell them."

You heard it here folks, how much more proof do you need than straight out of Moongleam's mouth (an employee at Alpha).